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Some ideas for new features

ximeng   April 16th, 2009 7:41a.m.

Many of these I've already suggested to via the comments box, but thought I'd put them up here so others could add theirs in a central place.

Daily (hourly?) stats

Characters with more than one pronunciation or tone should have one entry per pronunciation - this will help to learn to distinguish the meanings of the individual pronunciations and allow less common pronunciations to be included later than more common pronunciations

Links to vocab page from the practise page

Links to major web dictionaries on the vocab page

Some way to go back if you mark something right when it should be wrong or vice versa

Some way to see what the correct answer was when skipping a prompt using the -> button

Neutral tone pronunciations

Pause the clock when you click on it

Percentage added / done for each list on the vocab list page

Blue and green review / add bars should show the actual number (as currently reported in a tooltip) when the bar is full

Some way to make a list of characters and words to review at a later date

ZachH   April 16th, 2009 9:44a.m.

>> Links to major web dictionaries on the vocab page.
Having a direct link to the definition of the word you are practising would be cool and easily implemented. This could be on the practice page.

>>Some way to go back if you mark something right when it should be wrong or vice versa.
This would be good, although I don't think marking a few incorrectly is a huge problem.

>>Percentage added / done for each list on the vocab list page.
This is also a strong idea.

zhouyi   April 16th, 2009 4:50p.m.

You've got my second. Those I especially wish for:

1. Characters with more than one pronunciation or tone should have one entry per pronunciation.

2. Some way to see what the correct answer was when skipping a prompt using the -> button

3. Neutral tone pronunciations

4. Percentage added / done for each list on the vocab list page

Using Skritter to distinguish the tone-meaning connections for characters with multiple readings/meanings would be tremendous.




xiaosanyi   April 16th, 2009 6:22p.m.

how about an option to turn off the correct stroke order indicator? sometimes it gives the character away.

Élie   April 16th, 2009 11:03p.m.

I would like to see another line in the progress stats, for the number of words learned. Because right now I'm learning heaps of words, but not that many characters, and it's a bit frustrating to see that after 45 min of practice and 40 items added, the number of known characters is actually going down on the progress chart.

ChrisClark   April 17th, 2009 4:28a.m.

Élie, I'm definitely with you on this one.

Élie   April 17th, 2009 9:38a.m.

Oh, by the way I wanted to second ZachH's seconds :p
Also, I feel that the hiding of the percentage bars under the practice screen is not very convenient. I think it should be removed, or that the clicking zone for the pause buttons should be slightly larger.

nick   April 17th, 2009 9:47a.m.

I like these ideas; keep them coming! They can go in with the other ideas and romp around, producing other ideas until we can pluck them out for implementation.

Having one entry per reading is not possible now, and would have been too intense to work into the architecture, which is already very complicated. When possible, commas separating readings correspond to commas in the definition, and maybe we can do some more formatting based on that, but there's virtually no chance of getting separate entries. Sorry!

We could maybe do daily stats, in the sense of allowing you to select one day instead of seven, but the time tracking doesn't currently record hourly practice, and I'm not sure that would be worth doing.

The rest of these are deemed worthy.

ChrisClark   April 19th, 2009 4:29p.m.

I´m also interested in managing my skritters words and characters more easily. I'd like to be able to treat them as my own dictionary / database - be able to search through them using pinyin or 汉字 and pull up info on when I´m going to see it again, etc.

ximeng   April 20th, 2009 1:51a.m.

Agree with Comos. A nice first step would be allowing reverse sorting on the vocab screen.

I hope come some future re-architecturisation you can consider separate entries for different readings - hard to do not nice to have. I hadn't spotted the significance of the commas and semicolons, but that's helpful now I know. It's kind of the opposite way from how I'd expect commas and semicolons to be used though, so not too obvious to the uninitiated.

Élie   April 23rd, 2009 8:19p.m.

I think the forum could improve in clarity. For example, it's kinda hard to see which thread has recently been answered, how about a color system for thread freshness?

nick   April 25th, 2009 12:12p.m.

We can make dictionary-style lookup for Skritter vocab, sure. I'll put that on the list.

Reverse sorting on the vocab screen would cause a slight performance hit while practicing for each sort we allowed. Is there a suggested use case for a particular sort?

We can perhaps do some clever formatting to use the commas semantically and separate the different definitions more clearly.

Élie, is sorting by "Updated" unsatisfying? We're currently using thread colors for read/unread (just using browser history), but maybe we could color the updated times.

Élie   April 27th, 2009 10:18a.m.

Oh my bad, I didn't realize we could sort by updated. It does the trick perfectly.

I wonder if it is just me who didn't realize you could sort that way or not.
If it's just me then nothing to change, but if others are the same, then it might be worth improving the visibility of the option. I guess the manual you're working on will be useful for that.

nick   April 27th, 2009 11:18a.m.

It could be that we need to add in sort-order arrows there and on the vocab list viewer. If you didn't see it, it's unlikely that it's clear enough.

zhouyi   April 27th, 2009 1:20p.m.

Nick, I also only noticed the sort option after you mentioned it.

Élie   May 9th, 2009 2:28p.m.

I just had an idea that might be cool.
I guess it depends on personality, and lots of people might not find that option attractive, but here goes:

Skritter could give us a grade.

This grade would be depending on the goal you fix yourself. I know that when I started skrittering, my objective was to learn 10-15 characters/day, so more or less 400/month. I managed to do that while I didn't have classes, and maintained a decent average during the semester until recently, but now that I have exams I fell to 100wds/month which is 25% of my objective (pretty lame).

I think it's always good to fix yourself an objective, and having a tool to show if you're accomplishing your objective would contain much chocolaty goodness.

nick   May 9th, 2009 5:32p.m.

We could add goal tracking to Skritter, potentially along with various forms of reminders and other motivational devices. We probably won't seriously get into any of it for several months, but there's some good stuff we can do there. It'd all be opt-in, of course.

ximeng   May 9th, 2009 8:29p.m.

I'd be keen on goal tracking too. Number of characters a week or hours a week or day or month, along with future graphs of how your progress will look if you keep up your goals :P I think shiny badges on your profile would be better than grades tho.

Nicki   May 10th, 2009 3:52a.m.

Yay badges! And trophies. Sparkly ones.

Lyons   May 14th, 2009 4:03p.m.

A couple more ideas:

1. Some option to hide the pinyin, particularly on words. Often when a word comes up, I see the pinyin and know which characters to write but I have trouble remembering what the word actually means...

2. Some day in the distant future when I feel I've mastered enough simplified characters, I'd like to learn traditional. I reckon the best way to do this would be for Skritter to show a simplified character and I write the traditional one i.e. not bother with English. This is kind of like the 'laddering' system Khatzumoto suggests on AJATT.

nick   May 14th, 2009 9:18p.m.

That sounds like a great way to do simp/trad learning. Perfect, you might say. It goes on the list, hopefully slightly before "some day in the distant future".

I'll see if I can't get pinyin hiding with voice prompting going on with the rest of the prompt changes.

jpo   May 15th, 2009 2:32p.m.

Both of Lyons' ideas are great. I'll someday be going in the other direction (traditional -> simplified), and this sounds like the perfect way of doing it.

On hiding the pinyin, I'm having some of the same problems. Any learning system suffers from the problem of specificity - you get really good at the specific skills taught by the system, but you can fall behind in other areas.

Pre-Skritter, I used to practice with a homemade flashcard system where the prompt was a character, and I had to recall the definition along with the pronunciation. Using this system, I got really good at recognizing characters, being able to read them aloud, and knowing what they meant. However, it was much harder to me to go in the other direction and try to remember the Chinese term for a given English word, because I wasn't practicing that specific problem domain. And even though I was able to read many hundreds of characters, I was at a total loss when it came to writing.

Skritter obviously addresses different problem domains (primarily pinyin->written form and English->written form), and does this exceptionally well. I practice a lot, and I'm now able to write hundreds of characters. But my vocabulary skills aren't improving at the same rate, because Skritter isn't specifically addressing that skill. Vocabulary learning in Skritter is passive, while the writing forces active recall, which is a much better learning tool.

Long way of saying that hiding the pinyin would definitely help me a bit. But what I'm really looking forward to is the hinted-at arrival of new learning modes, allowing us to use Skritter's super-powerful combination of SRS and active recall in other problem domains, such as characters->English definitions.

nick   May 15th, 2009 10:34p.m.

I'm really yearning for pinyin and definition practice, as well. There is much work to do!

When those modes are implemented, I'll also try to make it really easy for you to pick which of your existing vocabs you want to practice those parts for ('cause we're not going to dump them all on you), probably something from the practice page.

Lyons   May 22nd, 2009 6:39a.m.

When you do implement the traditional/simplified learning, it might also find a huge market on mainland China! http://www.danwei.org/scholarship_and_education/simplified_traditional_charact.php

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